Modern day top batsmen peak averages

Discussion in 'Cricket Talk' started by U2one100, Nov 5, 2012.

  1. U2one100

    U2one100 New Member

    Want to know how much some of the top modern-day batsmen averaged when they had played 50 odd games?

    Here, I'm posting the highest average that they had in their career beyond 50 games.

    Obviously, I've put up a restriction on 50 matches count (for longevity reasons).. For eg; Brian Lara had an average of 60+ numerous times in his career but that was during his initial days ( Hussey comes to mind too). Once he passed 50 matches, he never touched an avg 55 even.

    Description of columns

    When column contains the period during which the player had that "peak" batting average.

    Stats then shows the stats at that time.

    Retirement column indicates the time of retirement or '-' for active players

    Difference - how much it had fallen by the end.


    The Table

    [TABLE="class: grid, width: 900, align: center"]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: center"]Player[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Peak Average*[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]When[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Stats then[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Final average[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Retirement*[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Difference[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: center"]Garfield Sobers[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]63.77[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Mar 1968[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]65 matches, 6059 runs[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]57.78[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Mar 1974[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]5.99[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: center"]Ricky Ponting[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]59.99[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Dec 2006[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]107 matches, 9239 runs[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]52.75[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]-[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]7.24[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: center"]Mathew Hayden[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]58.97[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Mar 2004[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]51 matches, 4659 runs[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]50.73[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Jan 2009[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]8.26[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: center"]Sachin Tendulkar[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]58.87[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Feb 2002[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]90 matches, 7595 runs[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]55.08[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]-[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]3.79[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: center"]Rahul Dravid[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]58.75[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Jun 2006[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]104 matches, 9049 runs[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]52.31[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Jan 2012[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]6.44[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: center"]Javed Miandad[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]58.56[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Oct 1983[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]55 matches, 4217 runs[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]52.57[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Dec 1993[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]5.99[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: center"]Viv Richards[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]58.50[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Mar 1983[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]50 matches, 4329 runs[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]50.23[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Aug 1991[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]8.27[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: center"]Jacques Kallis[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]58.20[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Nov 2007[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]111 matches, 9197 runs[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]56.94[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]-[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]1.26[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: center"]Sunil Gavaskar[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]57.52[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Aug 1979[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]50 matches, 4947 runs[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]51.12[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Mar 1987[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]6.40[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: center"]Kumar Sangakkara[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]57.25[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Dec 2010[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]93 matches, 8244 runs[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]56.73[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]-[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]0.52[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: center"]Mohammad Yousuf[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]56.65[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Nov 2006[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]73 matches, 6402 runs[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]52.29[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Aug 2010[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]4.36[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: center"]Greg Chappell[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]55.58[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Nov 1981[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]69 matches, 5948 runs[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]53.86[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Jan 1984[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]1.72[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: center"]Brian Lara[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]54.09[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]June 2005[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]117 matches, 10818 runs[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]52.88[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Nov 2006[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]1.21[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]


    --- shows how much people like Richards, Dravid, Hayden and Ponting had/have fallen from their best times..

    Not a properly convincing indicator but just an idea.
     
    Last edited: Nov 5, 2012
  2. Rager

    Rager Active Member Staff Member

    Sangakkara - WHAT A FTB! :shakefist:
     
  3. Rain.

    Rain. New Member

    Ponting the best! :ponting5: :ponting5: :ponting5:

    Btw, I saw Sehwag averaging above 54 before series vs South Africa (2010-11)
     
  4. U2one100

    U2one100 New Member

    Actually the idea was to show how much a player's average tend to drop towards the end.. This is bit of a futile attempt because it doesn't do a uniform comparison..

    Something like stats for all batsmen after X no of tests would've been better. :hmm:


    You're right! He did average above 54 at some point

    This is not a complete list. There isn't a direct way of extracting out such a stat from cricinfo AFAIK!
     
  5. Rager

    Rager Active Member Staff Member

    I didn't know Hayden averaged 58. :mog: That too opening. Now that is something new.
     
  6. U2one100

    U2one100 New Member

    TBH he did some nice HTBing..

    Averaged 65 in Australia and had a great series in India where he averaged 100+. Didn't do that well in England or SA (avg around 30-35). But yes, impressive for an opener.
     
  7. Rager

    Rager Active Member Staff Member

    Why is he so left behind in his prime? Not rated by many... no one even respects him for having such an impressive record.
     
  8. U2one100

    U2one100 New Member

    I dunno.. Probably because he hasn't done much (by comparison to other sides) in the Ashes and that could be a reason..

    I always rated him as the biggest threat in the Australian batting line-up of 2000s, maybe because he often saved his best for India.
     
  9. Rager

    Rager Active Member Staff Member

    Him and Gilchrist gave me nightmares in the early 2000s then the wait for Ponting/Lehmann coming down the order used to cringe me... Horror times.

    I hated Australia the most around that time. They were just too competitive... it was good in a sense, but me being a kid and wanting to see India win was just unbearable. :cantstop:
     
  10. Binning

    Binning Arkham Knight Staff Member

    Sanga's Average hasn't changed much at all :omg:

    FTB he is.
     
  11. U2one100

    U2one100 New Member

    ^becauase it's only been 2 years.. Sure to go down if he plays for another 3-4 years (oh and some away from home too)

    Best batting averages after 100 matches played

    [TABLE="class: grid, width: 400, align: center"]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: center"]Player[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Average[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: center"]S Tendulkar[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]57.96[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: center"]R Dravid[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]57.79[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: center"]R Ponting[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]57.71[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: center"]J Miandad[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]57.41[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: center"]J Kallis[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]56.31[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: center"]K Sangakkara[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]55.81[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: center"]V Richards[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]52.77[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: center"]M Jayawardene[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]52.36[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: center"]S Gavaskar[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]52.33[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: center"]A Border[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]52.17[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: center"]B Lara[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]52.14[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: center"]M Hayden[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]51.87[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: center"]G Smith[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]50.14[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: center"]Inzamam Ul-Haq[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]50.02[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: center"]S Waugh[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]49.51[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: center"]G Boycott [/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]48.50[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: center"]C Lloyd[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]46.33[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: center"]G Kirsten[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]45.35[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: center"]J Langer[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]45.35[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: center"]VVS Laxman[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]45.25[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: center"]S Chanderpaul [/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]44.50[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]
     
  12. Binning

    Binning Arkham Knight Staff Member

    Tendulkar and Dravid :flintoff:
     
  13. U2one100

    U2one100 New Member

    I hope Kallis and Sangakkara follow the same pattern as others and fall down so that the future cricket fans don't get misled! :praying:



    BTW, having done all of these analysis, I kinda have the belief that Gary Sobers is indeed the greatest batsman of modern era!
    :adore: :adore: :adore:

    Think Richie Benaud was paid by the BCCI to say Tendulkar's name or maybe he was considering only pure batsmen.. :hmm:
     
  14. Binning

    Binning Arkham Knight Staff Member

    :ffry::ffry:
     
  15. Rager

    Rager Active Member Staff Member

    Gary Sobers? :ffry:
     
  16. bablu1994

    bablu1994 New Member

    now that U2 has Sobers in his team expect him to sing Sobers praise all of a sudden ;)
     
  17. U2one100

    U2one100 New Member

    ^:noway:

    Always been a Sobers fan and regard him as the greatest cricketer!

    Not much given to the draft thing. :truestory:
     
  18. Cabinet96

    Cabinet96 New Member

    Really is a case for it tbh. Think about this. I know a lot of people think Kallis is a better bowler than Sobers, but they still think he's vastly inferior as a cricketer, and that's because Sobers is a much better batsmen. Chew on that.

    Anyway, dat Pontang. Such a long peak he had.

    Another thing for you to chew over: http://www.cricketweb.net/forum/cricket-chat/56648-batsmans-prime.html

    http://www.cricketweb.net/forum/2838811-post30.html

    http://www.cricketweb.net/forum/2838834-post41.html
     
  19. U2one100

    U2one100 New Member

    The Bradman sample size thing is good to note.. I like that guy's avatar too, seems like a statsman! :nice:


    Remember Jimpson mentioning how Ponting has been crap outside of it in CSB's thread? :cantstop:
     
  20. Cabinet96

    Cabinet96 New Member

    Indeed he is. http://www.cricketweb.net/forum/cri...st-post-444-bowling-445-a-12.html#post2768400

    :p

    Meh. IMO, you can't really have 5-6 year peak. A peak is more sorta what Bell had in 2010 and 2011 where he averaged around 70.

    5-6 year peaks to me show how good a player was at his prime.

    Yeah I like the Bradman sample size. It shows that it wasn't due to a lack of innings, as no other test batsman has done as well in the same amount of games.

    BTW U2, what are you using to get this information.