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    ^India are the real cheaters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Rager View Post
    Australians are cheat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabinet96 View Post
    ^India are the real cheaters.


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    Plus whether or not Clarke's catch was clean is a different question altogether. Seems we've wavered from our original point of discussion. It was about whether Kumble was right in criticising Australia's spirit of the game.

    I'd say he was perfectly right in doing so. When you've the opposition captain signaling your batsman out rather than the umpire doing so, you're not wrong in calling out the opposition for their integrity and fairness.

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    But wasn't that just Ponting's way of saying it carried.
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    That was the time when my hatred began for Ponting... he was such a nut case back then.

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    Yeah, like Sehwag getting cleaned up by Swann at the Oval. Greatest karma moment in the history of Cricket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabinet96 View Post
    But wasn't that just Ponting's way of saying it carried.
    So to say it carried, you look at the umpire and give it out yourself? Ah, very well.

    Well I'd suggest you to go through the videos again, Oscar and judge the things from a totally neutral point of view. Just forget your grudges about the BCCI being bullies and India being unready to accept DRS, for the time being and then judge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricmahanty View Post
    Plus whether or not Clarke's catch was clean is a different question altogether. Seems we've wavered from our original point of discussion. It was about whether Kumble was right in criticising Australia's spirit of the game.

    I'd say he was perfectly right in doing so. When you've the opposition captain signaling your batsman out rather than the umpire doing so, you're not wrong in calling out the opposition for their integrity and fairness.
    So he's not allowed to say that he thinks it carried? And that he believes that Clarke wouldn't say it carried if he didn't think it had?



    I'll tell you what's really against the spirit of the game... calling someone a monkey and then using Flopdulkar's reputation and the corporate thug that is the BCCI to get you off the hook. That's against the spirit of the game.

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    So to say it carried, you look at the umpire and give it out yourself? Ah, very well.

    Well I'd suggest you to go through the videos again, Oscar and judge the things from a totally neutral point of view. Just forget your grudges about the BCCI being bullies and India being unready to accept DRS, for the time being and then judge.
    You've almost certainly only seen what the Indian media has shown you, with the dramatic edited videos with the tense music and ****. What is actually wrong with saying to the umpire "yes I think the ball carried"
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    Whaa whaa one of our players was racist. Lets cancel the tour because we're losing and our buts our sour.

    I love the tense music they play on the Indian news clips for the whole thing. Propaganda of the highest order
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    Indian news media is the best thing that ever happened to us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabinet96 View Post
    I love the tense music they play on the Indian news clips for the whole thing. Propaganda of the highest order
    Yeah it's the sort of stuff you would see in ads warning against communism in the 70s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CSB View Post
    So he's not allowed to say that he thinks it carried? And that he believes that Clarke wouldn't say it carried if he didn't think it had?



    I'll tell you what's really against the spirit of the game... calling someone a monkey and then using Flopdulkar's reputation and the corporate thug that is the BCCI to get you off the hook. That's against the spirit of the game.

    It's not at all wrong to SAY that it carried but to point it OUT yourself was the worst thing Punter did.

    You've almost certainly only seen what the Indian media has shown you, with the dramatic edited videos with the tense music and ****. What is actually wrong with saying to the umpire "yes I think the ball carried"
    I don't give a hoot about such media sources although I must admit that there are plenty of such news sources here in India.

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    So saying you think it's out is ok but putting a finger up to indicate the EXACT SAME THING is not?

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    So there were 3 umpires on the field... how convenient? And 3rd umpire wasn't called. WAH!

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    I can just imagine American propaganda news that's similar.

    It would have Kennedy saying that only one country were fighting for world peace during the Cuban Missile crisis. It would cut to clips of communist nutters in eastern Europe with dramatic music and have make references to Hitler. While it's being shown, you'll hear a narration from Kennedy saying, "Communism must be stopped it. It will spread. Domino effect. Communism must be stopped." Etc..
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    Quote Originally Posted by CSB View Post
    So saying you think it's out is ok but putting a finger up to indicate the EXACT SAME THING is not?

    It's just that it looked utterly bad and unsporting. Ever seen a player from the opposition judge a rival batsman out? That's just not sport.

    And Benson was a d!ck to have just acted at the instant he saw Ponting raise his finger up. That was even worse.

    I'll tell you what's really against the spirit of the game... calling someone a monkey and then using Flopdulkar's reputation and the corporate thug that is the BCCI to get you off the hook. That's against the spirit of the game.
    No one's sure of what Harby actually said. It could have been maa ki or "monkey". I'm not sure how you make it up to be the latter when you weren't around the pitch at that time.

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    My response nowadays is just to say.

    DRS?
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    Yes because Harbhajan is such a great guy and would NEVER think to say anything like that right?

    Plus, umpires often consult other umpires to see if it carried or not. That's what Benson did. He didn't give it out because Ponting said he thought it carried. He did it because the square leg ump thought it carried.

    Rudi did the same thing @ Lord's in 09 (when the ball GENUINELY DIDN'T CARRY), and you didn't hear us calling racism and threatening to cancel the tour, did you?

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    My response nowadays is just to say.

    DRS?
    Good one.

    India oppose it because Flopdulkar and Flopwag got given out by it and didn't like it. They'd gotten used to favourable umpiring over the years. (Umpires have always been afraid to give Flopdulkar out for fear of a reaction like that in Sydney 08).
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    Yeah I remember at Lords when he got lucky with a couple of plumb LBW's. I was fuming, it almost cost us the test match.
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    Be glad, they didn't take the non-striker with them to the dressing room.

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    The funny thing here in India was that Symonds didn't obviously have a problem with maa ki but had a serious problem with being called a monkey. Here it's the other way round

    Anyways, Harby wouldn't obviously have been aware of the racial connotations of "monkey" in Symonds' case anyway. So even if he called him one, he would have done so in jest( like he and many others do so in India) and with no malicious intent of being derogatory towards Symonds' race or skin colour.

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    Yes he would've been totally unaware, what after calling him a monkey in India and hearing the monkey chants from the crowd.

    Yes, totally unaware. That seems likely.

    Not.
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    I'm not in the least, trying to defend Harbhajan here. He's one of the blokes I too despise for the way he carries himself.

    But he's just too less aware, in general. He surely wouldn't have known what it was like for Symonds to be called a monkey. It might just have been coincidence that he found Symonds, of all people, to throw the "monkey" word at. It could very well have been directed at say, Hayden and no one would have made a fuss about it.

    Probably Symonds should have played it down a little and called Harby a "knobhead" or whatever the sh!t he felt about him, in return, rather than running off like a cry-baby to his board and yelling, " Mommy ! Mommy ! he called me a monkey !"

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    Players are told to report incidents of racial vilification.

    And it's funny that you say "I'm not defending Harba**** Singh" and then say Symonds should've handled it differently.

    Looks like defending Harba**** Singh to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CSB View Post
    Players are told to report incidents of racial vilification.

    And it's funny that you say "I'm not defending Harba**** Singh" and then say Symonds should've handled it differently.

    Looks like defending Harba**** Singh to me.

    Well let's put it this way. I wouldn't have minded if he would have copped a ban or a monetary fine.

    The only grudge I have about that acrimonious tour is the plain bias of the umpires and Ponting( and some other Aussie players) behaving like a d!ck about the whole issue.

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    Bias of the umpiring? Seriously? You think umpires deliberately give wrong decisions.

    Serious accusation man.

    And doesn't explain the numerous shockers we copped in Perth.
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    Well I'm not sure if Benson was biased or not( he might have been just plainly incompetent) but Bucknor was clearly biased. Yes, I said it because he'd been biased towards India ever since Ganguly wrote a bad report for him on the 2003/04 tour to Australia.

    I did have a lot of respect for Bucknor formerly but he clearly had a bias against India in the latter stages of his career.

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    Persecution complex. You have one.
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    Bucknor is just a **** umpire.
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