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    Who is finn?

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    Good to know Botham thinks Finn and Onions > Steyn, Philander and Morkel.

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    South Africa would play 4 quicks and go: Steyn, Phillander, Finn, Onions. Sounds alright to me
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    As rubbish as I think Morkel is, I don't think it's fair to say Onions and Finn would walk into a test side ahead of him.

    Like I've said before, I rate Eng's attack as on-par with ours, and slightly better than SA's.

    England would probably be the best (because their bowlers are more experienced), BUT we have WATTO and England don't. Andy Flower even admitted England were jelly of not having Watto.
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    Watson specifically or a genuine all-rounder?

    Watson would complete England's side to be hones. He could come in at 6, and bowl a few handy overs.
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    ^ A genuine all-rounder. Of which there are currently.... two in the entire world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CSB View Post
    Like I've said before, I rate Eng's attack as on-par with ours, and slightly better than SA's.
    I think Swann is the reason ours are slightly stronger. Although he's been frustrating me a lot recently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabinet96 View Post
    I think Swann is the reason ours are slightly stronger. Although he's been frustrating me a lot recently.
    IMO Lyon has more potential than Swann. (He's younger and already has an impressive record).

    Just look @ what Lyon did vs WI in WI. What's Swann done against them this series that's so great??
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    Potential is one thing, but a proven track record in all formats of the game for a few years is another. I've said before I think the Aus attack probably has more potential, but there not better at the moment.

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    Just look @ what Lyon did vs WI in WI. What's Swann done against them this series that's so great??
    Urggh, and Shillingford got 10 against you lot but got like 1 against us going at nearly 5 an over. Australia =/= much better players of spin than England
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    That pitch was spinning like a mofo. And before you use that as an excuse to say why Lyon got wickets, the pitches in the UAE turned enough and so did the pitch in Galle, and Swann did bugger all on those pitches.

    Our boys play spin much better than yours do. Not debatable.

    And Trent Bridge was a complete road.

    Herath took 18 wickets in 3 innings @ an extremely low average against you guys. How can you say you play spin as well as we do?
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    Finn destroying the stumps today.

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    That pitch was spinning like a mofo. And before you use that as an excuse to say why Lyon got wickets, the pitches in the UAE turned enough and so did the pitch in Galle, and Swann did bugger all on those pitches.

    Our boys play spin much better than yours do. Not debatable.

    And Trent Bridge was a complete road.

    Herath took 18 wickets in 3 innings @ an extremely low average against you guys. How can you say you play spin as well as we do?
    Meh, I was obviously not using that as evidence to suggest we are better players of spin than you.

    FYI, Swann got a 6fer in Galle, and should have had Mahela out in the 50's in the first innings. I was looking at Lyon's 5 fer in Galle and 3 of his wickets were the tail and another one was Mathews playing a sweep shot Stuart Broad would be proud of.

    Trent Bridge was flat but it did offer some turn. Was kinda like the pitch in Dubai for the first test of the Pakistan v England series.

    Herath just cleaned up the tail in Colombo. He took like 40 overs to get a wicket. Not to mention he got belted in England.

    England are only really bad players of spin in Asia from the evidence I've seen, and some of the pitches at home turn a lot more than some of the ones we played Pakistan on.
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    But that makes no sense, why would they suddenly forget how to play spin just because they're in Asia?
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    Because they **** themselves about it. It's a big mental thing. I mean FFS, Cook was getting out hooking in the UAE. That NEVER happens. I don't even know what was going on but the fact that people like Bell kept getting out to long hops form Umar Gul and Prasad shows something surely? Yes spin played a big part, but that's simply becuase both sides best bowlers were spinners. Herath came here and got belted at Cardiff, and then the next day Swann ripped through Sanga, Samarawerra and others. Ajmal is the only spinners I've seen do fairly well in England, but even he got belted by Broad on a pitch where Swann got 5.
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    Hauritz did well in England.
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    He did to be fair, but a couple of the grounds are renown for being spin friendly. I'm not saying we're good players of spin, I know we have a huge weakness against it. But there aren't that many spinners that I'm worried will beat us in a test in England. Narine and Ajmal are probably the only ones. Lyon looks a decent spinner, but don't expect him to be ripping through our middle order taking 5 fers here and there. I don't even think Haury took a 5 fer did he?

    I've been saying it's a mental issue since day 1 in the UAE, when Ajmal ripped through us without actually turning one
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    Nope, Haury took 10 wickets @ 30 in 3 tests. then got rested (correctly) @ Headingley but then stupidly left out of the test @ the Oval.
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    Has there been a spinner since Warne that's come to this county and averaged less than 30?

    Also why does no one remember Herath chocking South Africa on a green top in Durban? #Selectivememories
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    Not sure, I doubt it. Haury averaging 30 was an excellent performance though. Poor guy.

    And I constantly rag South Africa for being crap players of spin. I also say they're way overhyped and are a way better side on paper than IRL. They're a boom or bust batting lineup and a 2-man bowling attack.
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    Spinners averages in Engalnd:

    Herath - 50
    Ajmal - 29
    Shakib - 35
    Harbhajan Singh - 50


    Swann - 28

    So Swann has been the best. And we've played 4 Asian teams in the last 2 years. Would you consider them worst players of spin than us?
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    Worse*

    And no not all of them. Pakistan and Bangladesh probably are though. Swann's average has been deflated by matches against BD and taking tons of wickets against an awful Pak batting lineup (a lot of whom were tail enders)
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    Swann still averaged 32 against SL and India last year (arguably the best players of spin in the world) and only Ajmal has a better record than that in England (in recent years)

    Like I said I still think we're bad players of spin. But it fluctuates a lot depending on where we are in the world, more so than the pitches we play on.
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    Umpire's call again. Windies just can't catch a break.
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    I thought umpires call was out?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CSB View Post
    England's bowling hasn't impressed me much today. Attack looks pedestrian without the lawyers.


    Lawyers = Anderson & Broad.

    Come on, don't try to tell me that "Anderson & Broad" doesn't sound like some kind of law firm.

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    It is... but if he'd said not out (as he could easily have done), then it would've stayed not out.

    Windies had tons of umpire's call ones (very marginal) go against them when we played them (both while batting & bowling), same in Eng.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CSB View Post


    Bell-end.
    Bell-end





    PS Why do we call him that

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    England's catching really is weird. All evidence suggests it should be good, but it's just really, really bad.
    They dropped Anderson's catches last game too...it sucks...

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    Bravo does a Katich

    A Katich: "To chip a length delivery of Steven Finn straight back to him, usually in a soft manner. The batsmen is often a left hander and the catch is occasionally dramatic"

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoverDrive View Post
    Bell-end





    PS Why do we call him that
    Because he is a complete bell-end...
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    Quote Originally Posted by CSB View Post
    Because he is a complete bell-end...
    British slang for the glans penis, or penis head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CSB View Post
    It is... but if he'd said not out (as he could easily have done), then it would've stayed not out.

    Windies had tons of umpire's call ones (very marginal) go against them when we played them (both while batting & bowling), same in Eng.
    I've always been a believer that a batsmen is a tad unlucky if they get out with it being umpires call. But I'd far from feel we've benefited from it a lot recently so I'm not complaining about a couple going our way this series.
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